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« on: May 10, 2019, 09:57:28 am »
Iíll be there from Friday arvo to Monday morning trying
Do other fishers get on the radio for a chat about where the fish are ?
If so what channel is used the most?

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2019, 09:28:26 pm »
Ch 69 mate

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 09:44:16 pm »
Well after 3 days of trolling we managed 3 fish.
First arvo got a 20 kg and the seal got hold of it and lost it
Second day got 3 bites for 1 fish 27kg
Third day got 6 bites for 1 fish 21kg
One guy got a 107 kg
Just wondering if other people have a better hook up ratio
We were trolling with drag set just high enough so the line didnít slip
And during the first run Iíd ease the drag up to the lever strike
And the fish would get off at various times throughout the initial run maybe longest
Was on for 30 seconds.
Also snapped the arse out of an xrap on a triple hook up the wire pulled out
Of lure , fish gone!

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2019, 07:38:40 am »
That was a long weekend, but you got some results: well done!

Having the lure come apart would be a real bummer, though - that shouldn't happen with any reputable brand.  I always understood Rapala had a full wire frame right through, so the towing link is connected through to the hook(s) directly?

As to drag settings, I've always gone with the "one third" measure.  If your line is 24 kg, say, you set the drag at one third of that; ie, 8 kg.  Check it by almost filling a bucket with water and weigh it; adjust until it is 8kg on the scales.  Then hook your line to the handle, adjust the drag until you can only just lift the bucket off the ground before it starts to slip.  That should be about right for your strike drag.  There needs to be a decent resistance in the line when the fish hits, or you risk not getting a good hook-up.

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 09:34:00 pm »
Yer didnít get to release any seals took their quota
Was hoping to catch more to release but thatís fishing
We did have a good trip
Rapala Lure is through wire but it isnít welded where it goes back into lure, just bent over pretty much
Iíve got the breaking strain of line right at 8 kg all over that, just wondering where others set their drag when trolling
I have mine just so the spool doesnít slip when trolling
Iím wondering if I should up it to 5-6 kg

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 09:06:03 am »
line class  8kg   approx   3kg drag pressure
line class  12kg  approx  4kg drag pressure
line class  15kg  approx  5kg drag pressure
line class  20kg  approx  7kg drag pressure
line class  50kg  approx  17kg drag pressure
line class  37kg  approx  13kg drag pressure

Golden rule by way of suggestion as reddory has explained is approximately one third of your line breaking strain,
i believe most fishers follow the same principle.
Setting your drag just on stopping the drum slipping suggests that your drag is set way too light, possibly hindering hook set. fish1 fish1     
« Last Edit: May 14, 2019, 09:08:20 am by rogun »

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 10:04:24 am »
Thanks, Rogun; that confirms what I've always understood - that "strike drag" is the drag setting you use while trolling.  So, set it at 8kg on 24 kg line while trolling.

Having said that, I understand you might run it much lighter if you're towing a live bait - gives the fish a chance to get the bait well in without feeling resistance, then you up it to "strike" when you manually set the hook.  Is that correct?  anyone1

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 03:09:24 pm »
Reddory that is the general rule with livies,
tell you what though, I would definitely like to see the end result of hooking a jumbo bluefin on 8kg test, that would be a long fight,  fish1
I imagine that if a big jumbo hit 8kg test set at 6kg strike drag, it would almost definitely pop the line at the point of strike, including adding in with water pressure as well, only guessing.  cry1
How exciting would that be.

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 08:20:01 pm »
Hi guys thanks for the tips
Yer it does sound like Iím way to low on the drag when trolling
With all the terms floating about I guess I was somewhat confused with trolling drag and
Breaking strain of line at the strike position on reel
So I just put lever 3/4 of the way on reel so around 6 kg
And once fish is hooked and finished running Iíll put it up to 8 kg strike position on reel to fight the fish or seals


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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 09:24:45 pm »
Hi there,
Just for something you may want to try,

It would be way more accurate to purchase a spring drag scale from a tackle store,
 
they are quite cheap and are very accurate.

Simply tie the scale to something secure (fixed position)

I tie mine round the missus neck, lol  sorry1, not really!

Attach your chosen line (rod) to the other end of the scale and set your drag to strike position using the scale marker.

If you do have any difficulty working it out, the retailer will give you a very thorough run through with its use.

I use one and have never gone wrong with it, it is worth the effort and removes all guess work.

Remember, rule of thumb is set at one third of your total breaking strain, ie 24 kilo main line = 8 kg drag pressure is 1/3

Hope this helps,
Cheers

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 09:17:32 am »
Cheers yep got the spring scales and set the drag to 8 kg
The 8kg would be the drag on the reel when I push the lever to the strike position
On the reel?

Sunset position is if I go past the strike position button


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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 10:42:12 am »
I don't know much about modern lever drag reels.  I had a really good old Polikansky some years ago - the original lever drag.  It didn't have a "strike" button, just a constantly-variable drag via the lever.  It also had a small knob that adjusted the pre-tension for free-spooling.  I tweaked the pre-tension knob to the point where free spool only just released line when I dropped a lure in the water, with the lever at zero, then adjusted the drag by adjusting the lever from that point.

Using 24kg line, I adjusted the drag lever until it only just gave line with 8kg load on the end of the line, lifting with the rod. I put a little mark (indelible marker pen) at that point on the lever scale.  Then whenever we went out, I let the lures out, shifted the lever to that mark and knew I was trolling with the reel set for 8kg drag.  I guess with a modern reel, that is where you would put your strike knob - if it is adjustable.

After a hookup, I could then simply fight the fish on that drag setting, or slide it up a bit harder as I got some more line back on the reel.  That reel, even right at the end of its travel, never fully locked up - but I estimated maximum drag was somewhere around 16-18 kg with a full drum (obviously more when loads of line was out).

PS: I've just looked at your reel in the photo: that looks like a pre-tension knob in the middle, and the drag lever pivots around it - is that right?  If so, I guess you set the lever to the strike button, hang the weight off the end of the line, and adjust the pre-tension knob until the reel is just pulling 8 kg. That is then your strike drag setting.  Back the drag lever off to free-spool the line as the lure goes out, then push the lever to strike for trolling.  And yes, during the fight, if you want to increase drag pressure, slide the lever up past the strike knob to gradually increase it, but remember a half-empty reel drum has a lot more resistance to turning than a full one (ie the apparent drag pressure gets higher)

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2019, 05:30:53 pm »
Just wondering if anyone has heard if the bluefin tuna are being caught in reasonable numbers down the penninsular

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2019, 07:11:39 pm »
Patchy  some days had only a few some days none and some days 10 over last week

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2019, 07:48:16 pm »
Hi,
Thank you for the info,
I am contemplating a trip down shortly in hopes that there may still be one or two about,
or maybe if luck plays out, even a jumbo.
Cheers  gonefishing1 

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2019, 07:08:23 pm »
was catching them up until August last two years so should still be some about for a while yet

 

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